Name: ABN AMRO CEO: In Today's World, Five-Year Plans Can Become Obsolete in Five Days
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Description: At the WSJ Leadership Institute CEO Summit in London, The Wall Street Journal's Emily Glazer speaks with ABN AMRO CEO and Chair Marguerite Bérard, who says business leaders must adapt to a world where geopolitical and economic shocks arrive in days, not years—and where scenario planning has become essential.

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At the WSJ Leadership Institute CEO Summit in London, The Wall Street Journal's Emily Glazer speaks with ABN AMRO CEO and Chair Marguerite Bérard, who says business leaders must adapt to a world where geopolitical and economic shocks arrive in days, not years—and where scenario planning has become essential. Photo: WSJ Leadership Institute

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At the WSJ Leadership Institute CEO Summit in London, The Wall Street Journal's Emily Glazer speaks with ABN AMRO CEO and Chair Marguerite Bérard, who says business leaders must adapt to a world where geopolitical and economic shocks arrive in days, not years—and where scenario planning has become essential.

ABN AMRO CEO: In Today's World, Five-Year Plans Can Become Obsolete in Five Days

Part of human resilience and managing that and being a leader, as many of you are sitting here today, is also managing fear, and that can be very tricky. We're in a time of great uncertainty, unpredictability, and I wonder how you manage fear and how that impacts the capital markets and how you kinda work through that leading a bank.

I think we all, you know, have learned to adjust to a world that doesn't work anymore in, you know, long five to seven-years cycles, but where-

Right, now it's five to seven days sometimes.

Yeah, the frequency and the magnitude of shocks are huge. I mean, can you all remember that, you know, Greenland was just the beginning of this year, it feel... No, I mean, seriously, they often say, "Okay, don't share that joke." But, you know, you know the quote of Mark Twain? And don't quote me on this, but it's Mark Twain, it's not me, but they said that, you know, "God invented war so that Americans could learn geography." And I feel right now we're... It's Mark Twain, it's not me. But you know, so sometimes, we feel we're going through a lot in a very short period of time, and yes, so we learn. You know, of course, we have our base case, but we also learn to think in scenarios and what if, and I think one of the things that I find the most useful is, I call it connecting the dots, so it's to actually have a more systemic thinking. Thinking, "Okay, if this happened there, what can be the impact on, you know, this sector and this sector and this geography, and so on?" So that you get a more systemic view of what's happening to try, you know, avoid being too surprised by, you know. It's a bit like playing chess.

Mm.

So, scenario thinking.