Name: Donald Trump Wants to Dismantle the Education Department. Here’s What That Could Look Like.
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Description: Donald Trump has vowed to dissolve the Department of Education. Oklahoma schools superintendent Ryan Walters and former U.S. Education Secretary Arne Duncan explain the potential impact of Trump’s plan.

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Donald Trump has vowed to dissolve the Department of Education. Oklahoma schools superintendent Ryan Walters and former U.S. Education Secretary Arne Duncan explain the potential impact of Trump’s plan. Photo Illustration: Ryan Trefes

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Donald Trump Wants to Dismantle the Education Department. Here’s What That Could Look Like. 

Laura: This is Arne Duncan, the Secretary of Education for seven years during the Obama Administration. And this is Oklahoma State School's Superintendent Ryan Walters, who supports President Trump's plan to abolish the Department of Education.

My administration will take all lawful steps to shut down the department. We're gonna shut it down and shut it down as quickly as possible. It's doing us no good. We wanna return our students to the states.

Laura: In March, the Education Department said it would cut about half its workforce, just a week before Trump issued an executive order, directing the Education Secretary to close the department.

What President Trump has laid out, the most aggressive, boldest, most conservative reform agenda for education in this nation's history.

This weaponization of the Federal Department of Education will just be disastrous.

Laura: So why is Trump dismantling the Department of Education, and what would that look like?

I think all those federal employees are gonna be fired from their jobs. We're gonna do away with the agency. That building needs to go away, it needs to be something else.

Laura: The US Department of Education, the smallest of the cabinet-level agencies, has more than 4,400 employees and a budget of $79 billion.

Education is mostly a state and local issue, but what the Department of Education does is pretty important.

Laura: The department handles Title I funding for high-poverty K-12 schools, and IDEA funding for students with disabilities. At the higher ed level, it distributes federal student aid, including loans and Pell Grants. The Office for Civil Rights enforces laws like Title IX, protecting against gender-based discrimination.

And it's fighting for equity, a focus on excellence, and really driving and scaling innovation. Those are three roles, I think, are critically important.

Laura: Duncan is now the leader of Chicago CRED, a nonprofit working to reduce gun violence.

Let's take IDEA very specifically, children with special needs is, you know, historically, those children were actually denied access to going to public schools, and it took the federal government to come in and provide access to children with special needs. There are over 7.5 million children with special needs that receive billions of dollars of additional funding from the US Department of Education. And guess what? You want accountability for those resources.

Laura: Superintendent Walters says school accountability should shift from the federal government to parents.

There's nobody who loves their child more or who cares more about their child than their mom and dad. So the more that we empower them through school choice, through transparency and accountability measures, what you're gonna see is all schools are gonna get better.

Laura: Trump may still face an uphill battle to abolish the Department of Education. It would take an act of Congress to dismantle the department or to get rid of any of the programs written into federal law.

I sometimes think of this as two different scenarios. A soft abolish would be getting rid of the department but keeping its various programs, and then just sort of redistributing the programs to other federal agencies. A hard abolish would be getting rid of the department and many, or all, of its programs. That might be a much tougher sled through Congress and might be a lot more controversial.

This is not a political winner and you have to be very, very careful. You can lie to parents about a lot of things and maybe get away with it, but if you start hurting their children and you start hurting the children who are already vulnerable, there's gonna be hell to pay politically.

Laura: The Conservative Heritage Foundation's Project 2025, which Trump has repeatedly distanced himself from, has proposed phasing out Title I funding for low-income students over 10 years and converting other programs to no-strings-attached formula block grants.

President Trump's plan that money could go directly to families to direct those funds. So what you'll see are states have more power to innovate; states have more power to solve their solutions locally; and then frankly, something we already do here in Oklahoma, states have more power to then give power to families, to parents

Laura: Like Trump, Walters favor school choice programs, generally meaning funding or scholarships for non-traditional public or private schools.

Critics of school choice basically say it will hurt public schools and drain money from public education. In the most recent election, there were three states that had some measure of school choice on the ballot. And in all three states, including in very red Kentucky and Nebraska, voters voted against expanding school choice.

Laura: Aside from dismantling the Department of Education, Trump has taken steps to roll back what he calls the radical left agenda.

We have removed the poison of critical race theory from our public schools, and I signed an order, making it the official policy of the United States government that there are only two genders, male and female.

They take any three-letter acronym, DEI, CRT, and try and weaponize it. And so much of what they do is they create these false boogeymen and try and create fear.

Laura: In 2024, the Biden Administration extended Title IX protections for transgender students.

They said boys had to be allowed in the girls' bathrooms and boys had to be allowed in girls' sports, or they would take the funding from us, number one. But number two, that they would come after us legally.

Laura: Both the Supreme Court and lower federal courts challenged the Biden Administration's rule change, ultimately rejecting the Title IX protections across the country. Trump has also signaled support for religion in schools, including prayer in the classroom. In Oklahoma, Superintendent Walters mandated that schools share a video, in which he announces an Office of Religious Liberty and Patriotism and prays for Trump.

I pray in particular for President Donald Trump and his team as they continue to bring about change to the country. We wanted our teachers and/or students to know, we will protect your right to exercise your religious beliefs.

Laura: At least seven Oklahoma school districts have said they will not show the video to students. The state's Attorney General said the directive for schools to show the video was, quote, "Unenforceable."

Today, we purchased over 500 Bibles that will be in the AP government classrooms across the state. Bible just like this.

Laura: The same Bible endorsed by Donald Trump and selling for $60 for copy.

We must make America pray again.

Trump is a very, very easy guy to figure out. You praise him, you ingratiate him, and you give him money. And what you're seeing is lots of folks, including the Superintendent of Oklahoma, ingratiate themselves and actually use taxpayer money to buy Trump Bibles, which is sort of stunning to me.

So what we wanted was a document that had everything in there. So that's the Bible, the Constitution, the Bill of Rights, the Declaration of Independence. So the Bible we purchased had all of them. In Oklahoma, we're gonna continue to lead behind President Trump and make sure that his agenda is enacted.

If all you have is people who are, you know, political hacks who are trying to, you know, weaponize and politicize education for political gain, we're gonna do a grave disservice to our country's families, to our country's children, and to our nation's economy.