Name: Why Software Pricing May Move to Pay-Per-Outcome
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Description: Sierra Co-founder and CEO Bret Taylor discusses the future of software billing, predicting a move away from monthly licenses to a model where companies only pay when an AI agent successfully completes a job or closes a sale.

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Sierra Co-founder and CEO Bret Taylor discusses the future of software billing, predicting a move away from monthly licenses to a model where companies only pay when an AI agent successfully completes a job or closes a sale. Photo: WSJ Leadership Institute

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Sierra Co-founder and CEO Bret Taylor discusses the future of software billing, predicting a move away from monthly licenses to a model where companies only pay when an AI agent successfully completes a job or closes a sale.

Why Software Pricing May Move to Pay-Per-Outcome

Your question will be outcomes for that process. And in our world at Sierra, for a customer service case, we actually only charge when the AI agent resolves the case. It doesn't have to escalate to a person. For a sales agent, we get paid a commission. It's real accountable. And I like the idea of, you know, could we onboard this vendor without human intervention? Could we do it in less than, you know, whatever it might be. And if it's measurable, I think that you can actually measure the business value of these processes. And it actually really aligns technology vendors with their partners. And the reason why I believe that will happen is, if you look at the evolution of technology, it's gotten more and more accountable over time from, you know, perpetual licensed on-premises software to a subscription to cloud software to now outcomes-based pricing for agents. You see it in the media space. You went from pay-per-impression ads to pay-per-click ads to pay-per-install ads. And I think, in general, you know, the incentive alignment drives a lot of these business models. Not every agent will have a measurable outcome, so I don't mean it will be one-size-fits-all, but I think where it is measurable, I really hope that that's the future. And gosh, wouldn't it make your relationship with your vendors a little better?